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 Post subject: Re: Removing old gluedown adhesive from slab
PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:51 am 
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Yes, renting can be an option. Unfortunately with tacky adhesives it doesn't work well. That was my experience with DriTac 6200. The machine just bounced off the adhesive. Does adding kitty litter or something like course sand eliminate that? Anybody actually tried the plate and abrasives?



Yes but not against 6200. Not all adhesives are the same as you know. Did you start on top or work against it gradually? Should cut it right off.

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Tried every conceivable way. I was a guinea pig. The flooring supply house never used the plate before. I think it was a new product at the time (2001)

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Yes, have tried the plate with open coat paper, it just gums up the paper like one solid chunk of adhesive. If you sprinkle kitty litter, sawdust or patch, it gums up with whatever you sprinkled.

The scrape away discs work great on crystalized adhesives, like removing cutback,otherwise the blades get gummed up.

There is an amaizing machine that a guy has out here, he told me it cost him about 10 grand, he keeps busy just taking up wood for hardwood contractors. The guy has a great gig, you cant identify this machine,( he has camoflagued all I.D). But it takes up wood and any type of adhesive clean off the slab in one swoop! And I mean clean. He can do 1500 ft. per day. I call him all the time, charges me a buck a foot, well worth it.

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Howard, when you say paper are you talking about like a 36 grit paper or one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Carbide-Grinding- ... 92&sr=1-64

These come in heavy and medium grit as well.

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Talking 12 grit type F Open Coat. Use on edger or buffer for removal or abraiding.
Aweful story.... Back in the day before the dangers of asbestos were known, we used these discs on buffers to sand vct, prepping for commercial sheet vinyl. 6 floors in a Hospital ! :(

(Couldnt find a pic of the right grit but this stuff, only big rocks :roll: )
http://www.amazon.com/3M-777F-Diameter- ... B002UXRKI0

I still use it, for other stuff ofcoarse. Get it at Virginia

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Oy! I've torn out tons of vct but never sanded it thanks. :shock:

I heard carbide is harder than silicone carbide and cuts better than ceramic AO.

Me, I just want something to get point off the concrete most of the time. Taking off gummy adhesives is not fun and any residue gets buried or use a floating system.

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 Post subject: Re: Removing old gluedown adhesive from slab
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Yea bummer huh? We were in a fog of that cr_p,(prepped quite a lot of commercial that way). Back when they called it "VAT". Then they turned "asbestos" to "composition" :roll:

You know I'm not sure about the carbides, I just know those gummy adhesives just clog and gum stuff up, it's a real problem. I've never tried floating over that stuff. I know they say you can do it. Always wondered about the little bit of spongyness though, floating over a gummy adhesive.

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 Post subject: Re: Removing old gluedown adhesive from slab
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I'm kind of stumped on this one. To sand glue off of a sub floor , I could basically use 16 grit (rock paper) and then sweep and vacuum the incredible mess it makes.This works for things like mastic that may seem a little rubbery or Bostik's best or Sika Bond. But this is for adhesives that cure . I've never pulled up a floor and experienced a contact cement type of adhesive. So I imagine that trying to use even a heavy sand paper will just smear around the adhesive.

How about some pink or red pads under a buffer to absorb the adhesive as you lift it from the floor ? In any event, keep us updated . I may run into this issue some day. :idea:

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Well the guy says he is on concrete and taking up wood so it can't be that thin of an adhesive residue, maybe an acrylic adhesive. I've also used a turbo stripper with a sharp blade, very effective in getting down to the surface. Then skimcoat with ardex sf and reglue. But I never skimcoat over thick adhesives.

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Yes contact adhesive sounds like a good description. It's brown in color. Looks just like contact cement. It's actually gooey when a plank is pulled from the floor.


Never seen a brown contact adhesive

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 Post subject: Re: Removing old gluedown adhesive from slab
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Well, for better or worse, this is the road I've chosen.

first, every one I've spoken to to confused as to what this stuff may be. Who knows. I tried to find a scrape away but couldn't so I went the chemical route.
Of course now I've read Mannington's instuctions and says not to use solvent based removers. :oops: What's done is done. Can't go back now.
I used a buffer with black stripper pads and mineral spirits - a lot of it. took 6 gallons :shock: The place stunk to high heaven but did get about 80% of the glue up. But I'm still left with a very sticky slab. :evil:
It's smooth though and in places pretty clean. I gave up on that since I knew it would take forever to completely clean the slab this way.
I talked to bostik's tech line. They were helpful. They suggested an self-leveler that doesn't need a primer (not a bostik's product).
I talk to Mapei yesterday. We went over the details and found their product Planipatch with the plus additive may work to skim coat the floor. So I bought some and put down a test area about 4'x4'. That's some sticky stuff!
Very odd consistency and had to work fast. Tomorrow I will try to remove it.
So far it looks promising although a little expensive.

What a pain. I'll try to post some pics tomorrow. Thanks for all the help so far!


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 Post subject: Re: Removing old gluedown adhesive from slab
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The Planipatch is down!. It's not going to come up without some considerable effort. I'm going to float the reat of the floor tomorrow and that will take care of that!

Thanks to all - will try to get some pics posted.


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